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Well, I'm so interested to read that you've been in touch with a lot of poets throughout this war and you asked one poet what you could do to help. They're very idealistic in a beautiful way, and they're prepared to fight for it. They are more democratic than Western democracies or rather they believe in democracy more than Western democracies do.

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Ukraine is also a place that is full of hope, especially the new generation of Ukrainians. It was a time when the door to our apartment was set on fire because we were Jewish. Watching the country fall apart prepares one to be alert to crisis. Up until I was 16, most of my childhood and adulthood has happened when Soviet Union was falling apart. Why is war the subject that you keep writing about or keep coming back to? I'm going to learn a new language as protest.' Just imagine that. I'm going to write poems in Spanish from now on. What if most American poets say, 'I refuse to speak English. Imagine if here in United States, when our unfortunately president, Donald Trump, began to build the wall to separate United States from our neighbors in Mexico. She had to learn Ukrainian in order to write poetry in it. Mila herself she was born in the country of Moldova. The story of his wife, in some way with Mila herself, is even more interesting. So it's amazing that a poet would refuse his own language. I'm going to speak Ukrainian.' And he began write poems in Ukrainian. And he said in public that, 'Today I am not going to speak Russian. Boris Khersonsky at that time was the most known and beloved Russian-language poet in Ukraine. Very interesting thing happened in 2014 when Russia first invaded Ukraine. So yes, Boris and Mila Khersonsky, the husband and wife and the both poets. Yeah, Boris Khersonsky, he's a wonderful poet. You told a story of, it was an essay you wrote in 2017, but I read it recently about a poet and friend of yours. One of the things I've been thinking about a lot lately as I sit in the middle of one empire, the United States, and watch another empire, Russia, invade a small country, it seems to me that language and poetry in particular have always had something to say to push back against empire. If you follow the dollar sign, if you don't see the root of the problem, our country of money, the poem says, our great country of money. Why? Because oil and gas companies make money and they're dealing with Putin. There was writing about it for about five minutes, and then we forgot.

Putin using ballistic myths to bomb the capital of Chechnya, the city of Grozny into the ground around '99, 2000. And all the while, it uses police brutality against its own citizens. I do kind of see irony that the citizens of American empire are showing so much concern for the victims of the Russian empire while America is regularly bombing other people's houses. In this case, the hope of the poem is to help the reader to see their own complicity. What do I want readers to take? Well, in the poem, one hopes to create an experience in the reader. What would you like readers to take from it? That is such a scathing and beautiful poem. We, forgive us, living happily during the war. In a house of money, in a street of money, in a city of money, in a country of money. I took a chair outside and watched the sun in a six month of a disastrous rein. Invisible house by invisible house by invisible house. And when they bombing other people's houses, we protested, but not enough. Lean in and listen closely because his words are so worth it. So he is a very accomplished lip reader with an accent. When he was 16, his family moved to the US, and that's when he learned English and began writing poetry. He lost most of his hearing at age four during an illness. Ilya Kaminsky grew up in the city of Odesa in Ukraine. In fact, Ukraine doesn't have the guns to close the sky and nobody's willing to do it, but people still have language.ДЄ few things to know. We have to use it as a weapon, because that's what you have. Well, when people are powerless for so many hundreds of years, the language becomes a weapon. And Ilya Kaminsky is a writer with a deep, personal understanding of the political power of poetry. His is the voice many of us turned to again and again during those first weeks of war when it was becoming clear that what was at stake in Ukraine was not only the future of one country, but a certain set of values or ideals: democracy, self-determination, freedom of expression. 'But not enough.' This is the beginning of a poem, a now famous poem, by Ilya Kaminsky, the Ukrainian-American poet. 'And when they bombed other people's houses, we protested.'

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How am I doing? I'm not doing incredibly well, no.Дays after the Russian army invaded Ukraine, when the whole world was trying to make sense of what was happening and how to respond. How are you? How are your family and friends in Ukraine?

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